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Since Islamic coins characteristically bear no images, they have ample room for inscriptions; a typical coin of the Classical Period bears 50 to 100 words in a total area (obverse plus reverse) of about 10 cm2. Each coin is thus a small document bearing several explicit messages which its makers intended to convey. But inscriptions, like other features of a coin, also carry implicit information unconsciously provided by the makers. Analysis of orthography, grammatical constructions, phraseology, and epigraphical style can illuminate the evolution of the Arabic language and script; the comparative study of titulature brings out changes in the self-image and philosophy of government of rulers; religious inscriptions on coins show what their issuers regarded as fundamental, as opposed to the beliefs attributed to them by hostile or later writers. Such topics must, of course, be studied in the context of the evidence from literature and monumental inscriptions. Coins have the advantage that their evidence is usually firmly dated and placed—and undoubtedly official—although one must beware of the strongly conservative tendency of coin design: inscriptions and designs may reflect traditional practice rather than current attitudes.
Book Reviews: The Antitrust Penalties: A Study in Law and Economics By Kenneth G. Elzinga and William Breit Reviewed by George A. Hay The Antitrust Penalties was published in 1976. Its main mes-sage is that the only efficient antitrust penalty is a heavy fine and that incarceration comes out poorly by any benefit-cost standard.Later that year, in a celebrated and possibly unprecedented appearance, newly appointed Assistant Attorney General Donald I. Baker argued before a federal district judge that jail sentences were the appropriate penalty for a group of defendants who had just been convicted in one of the major price-fixing cases of the past twenty years. Fines, he suggested, offered insufficient deterrence for future would-be criminals. Moreover, after that appearance, the call for jail sentences in price-fixing cases became the dominant theme in Baker's brief but active tenure.' Thus the evidence is clear that Elzinga and Breit's missionary expedition had failed to convert the chief antitrust enforcement official. Why the attempted conversion thus far has failed is a question this review will address. ============================ Antitrust Law: an Economic Perspective - By Richard A. Posner Reviewed by H. Michael Mann and Teresa Amott Professor Posner offers an articulation of a viewpoint derived from research and writing in the law and economics of antitrust. His position is that the promotion of vigorous competition can be accomplished by one statute (section 1 of the Sherman Act) that prohibits collusive action designed to restrict output below and concurrently raise prices above the competitive level and that imposes severe fines for violations. We are unconvinced, although we acknowledge that we agree with much of Posner's criticism about the application of antitrust law. ======================== Taking Rights Seriously - By Ronald Dworkin Reviewed by John D. Hodson The work of Ronald Dworkin covers a broad range of topics in political and legal philosophy. His Taking Rights Seriously brings together ...
Interview with Nunzio Roselli of Leominster, Massachusetts. Topics include: How he came to the U.S. with his family ten years prior, when he was seven years old. What he remembers about life in Sicily. His education in Sicily and then being put back two years, to first grade, when he came to the U.S. because he did not speak English. What his town was like in Sicily. What he remembers of when he first moved to the U.S. and how different things were from Europe. Stories he has heard from his family about World War II. His experiences in school. Italian traditions that his parents maintain. Cultural differences between life in the U.S. and life in Italy. How he started playing the drums. What school was like in Italy. How the food in the U.S. compares to the food in Italy. His plans to study music in college. ; 1 GREG CARCHIDI: Okay this is Greg Carchidi doing an interview, an oral history, with Nunzio Rosselli. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Buona sera, buona sera. GREG CARCHIDI: Okay, buona sera [laughter]. Okay. All right, this is Nunzio Rosselli [laughter]. We play in the same band [laughter]. All right. Nunz, how old are you? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Okay. I'm 17. GREG CARCHIDI: Seventeen years old, yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Eighteen this January. GREG CARCHIDI: All right. Is that -- what's your full name? NUNZIO ROSELLI: My full name is Nunzio Roselli, exactly what you said. GREG CARCHIDI: Nunzio Rosselli. NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's it. No middle name, nothing. GREG CARCHIDI: All right. Could you tell us like where were you born? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Okay. I was born in Italy, first of all. Actually, in Sicily. Sicily. I came -- some 10 years ago, I came to this country, and I came with just my family. Actually, we came with my mother's sister, you know… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: And her family. But then they left after two years and we remained here because, you know, felt good here, felt comfortable, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: All right. NUNZIO ROSELLI: So, but like most of my relatives are in Italy. All I have here is an uncle in Boston, an uncle in Fitchburg. GREG CARCHIDI: Who else? NUNZIO ROSELLI: All alone, that's all. GREG CARCHIDI: So just you, and there's -- what is it, your mother and father? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh, we have a lot of friends. We have a lot of friends [unintelligible - 00:01:29].2 GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. So how old were you when you came over here to America? NUNZIO ROSELLI: I was seven years old. GREG CARCHIDI: Seven years old, yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Well, what was the life like over there? Do you remember anything? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh, sure. You know, life -- well, it's a different type of things because people, they take it easier out there, you know what I mean? They worked less, okay? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: But they spend more of their time having a good time, you know what I mean? Like I'll give my uncle as an example, right? He's a constructor, okay. He works on houses and stuff like that, right? And he'll get work every now and then on his own, you know, to do something… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: And when he's not working, you know, well he's not making any money. But, still he sets money aside, goes out every night, you know, goes out with a few friends, go down to the local bar downtown or a café if you call it, go for a nice [speaking in Italian] or whatever you want to call it. And they'll have a few beers, right, have a few beers, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: They drink beer over there too? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Oh, that's good [laughter]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Beers or whatever you like, you know, and go home late at night. They go to sleep late over there. Twelve o'clock is like same as 10 o'clock here, so you know, so… GREG CARCHIDI: They have a lot of churches over there. Do they have a lot of churches?3 NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, yeah. Over there it's kind of -- the churches are all Catholic, you know. It's not, for instance, that you have your local Catholic church and your local Protestant church, you know. Everything is Catholic there. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Because the country itself is run by religion, [unintelligible - 00:03:09]. Not in that sense. You know I'm trying to say. GREG CARCHIDI: What town was it where you were…? NUNZIO ROSELLI: The name of the town is Santa Caterina, which means St. Catherine in Sicily [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: Santa Caterina. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Caterina. Hey you know how to spell that? Let's see… GREG CARCHIDI: Caterina? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Mm-hmm. GREG CARCHIDI: Did I spell it right [laughter]? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Wait a minute. You got an H there, right? GREG CARCHIDI: No H. NUNZIO ROSELLI: No H. GREG CARCHIDI: No H in Italian? NUNZIO ROSELLI: No, no. GREG CARCHIDI: Oh. NUNZIO ROSELLI: No H, just T. GREG CARCHIDI: Okay. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah don't forget the T [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: Caterina. NUNZIO ROSELLI: St. Catherine. GREG CARCHIDI: I just want to remember here. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Okay. That's in Sicily, right? NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's in Sicily. GREG CARCHIDI: All the olive oil and the mafia?4 NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's right, that's right. GREG CARCHIDI: [Speaking in Italian] [laughter] Godfather, yeah. Let's see. You were seven when you came here, right? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Mm-hmm. GREG CARCHIDI: All right. You must have gone to school over there for a couple of years, right? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, two years I went to school there. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: I went first and second grade, and then I never finished the second, and I finished it over here. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: And then I got put back here two years. GREG CARCHIDI: That caused the…? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, instead of going to the third, I got put back in the first. GREG CARCHIDI: Really? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Did you feel like that you knew -- like when you finally did start school in America, did you feel like you were ahead of the kids in here, in America, or was it about the same, or was there a language problem or what? NUNZIO ROSELLI: The only thing there was, was a language problem, but I think as far as knowing stuff like math or stuff that didn't involve the language, I would know more because second grade over there is like fourth or fifth grade over here. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: They teach you with the same difficulty in all. But with just the language, that's what my teacher told my relatives, you know, my aunt and uncle, when I didn't pass and then they put me back in the first. She said, well, you can't speak, so he's going to stay back and learn, you know… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. 5 NUNZIO ROSELLI: Just for the sake of the language, not so much the other things. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, oh that's…[laughter] NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh I don't care [laughter]. This is a recording. We must keep everything [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: Keep it clean. NUNZIO ROSELLI: It's kind of hard to, you know, when you're used to talking… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah [laughter]. All right. How about the people in your town there in Santa Caterina… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Santa Caterina… GREG CARCHIDI: Was it a rich town, or are they farmers? Or what do they do over there? What was the main…? NUNZIO ROSELLI: By all means, it's not a rich town. All right, if you were to judge it like, okay, a town in the United States. In other words, what kind of town would it be if it was translated to the United States, you know what I'm trying to say? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, it would be the equivalent of let's say something place Shirley or a small town like Princeton, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: But in size, it's small. I'd say it would be the size of… yeah, probably Shirley, would be the size of Shirley, real small, small town, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, most of the people that live there, the older people like my father's age maybe in the 50s or mid-40s, probably they worked on their land. They have a piece of land that the governments rents to them or gives to them or whatever, and they work on that, you know. And younger generations, you know, they're mostly involved with either going to school or something construction or something maybe mechanics, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. 6 NUNZIO ROSELLI: Stuff like that, you know. But it's by no means… it's not a big town. It's a real small town. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Nice town though. A lot of good times there [laughter]. A lot of nice, young people, you know, girls [laughter], people. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, a lot of young woman, huh? All right [laughter]. Did you have any room, did you think your family had any real reason why they wanted to come to America, or did they just…? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, all right, we had relatives here. You know, at the time they were living Leominster, my aunt and uncle, you know. Now they live in Boston. So I guess what we did was we were going to come here for a couple of years, see what it was like, because my father was having a hard time with jobs over there, you know. They weren't easy to come by. And so we said we'd come over here and try, you know. If we liked it, we stay a couple of years. If not, we'd leave. So we came over, we stayed. You know we've just been here ever since, you know. I've gone back a few times, two times. My brothers have gone back few times too, you know. You know, we've all gone back a few times. GREG CARCHIDI: The refrigerator just went on, huh? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh, sorry about that [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: It's okay [laughter]. All right. When you first got here, right, did you come by boat or you fly? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh, we fly. GREG CARCHIDI: You flew Alitalia? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Alitalia, yeah. What else? GREG CARCHIDI: Alitalia Airlines. NUNZIO ROSELLI: We're Italian. We can't use Pan Airlines, you see. GREG CARCHIDI: Oh, nah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, it's going to be Alitalia [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: That's right. And you landed in Boston, right? 7 NUNZIO ROSELLI: We landed in Boston, right. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: That must have been what? What year was that? NUNZIO ROSELLI: That was '68, sessantotto. That's when President Nixon… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, that was when Nix -- you came [unintelligible - 00:08:28] [laughter]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right yeah, right. GREG CARCHIDI: They got the crook [laughter], the birth of the [unintelligible - 00:08:33]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: What the heck is this? What are you doing here [laughter]? GREG CARCHIDI: If you have any, you know, you can remember at all, like what are your first experiences? One of the first things that happened to you when you got here? NUNZIO ROSELLI: That was unique? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. That was like, you know. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh I got a few, but no [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: Well, so you were seven. NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's right. GREG CARCHIDI: You didn't have the [combats] on, did you? NUNZIO ROSELLI: No, no [laughter]. Well, I might have, you know [laughter]. No, let me see. I'm trying to think, actually. As far as the whole way of life, you know, it's so different when I got over here, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Because I mean, we weren't used to seeing all this many cars and things at the time, you know. But yeah, that probably have to be -- just the whole idea of the way of life over here, which is so different, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: People were different. It wasn't as close, you know what I mean? It wasn't like you know your neighbor.8 GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, like in Sicily, you knew all your…? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, you knew what was going on. GREG CARCHIDI: Paisans and. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right. Yeah, paisans. GREG CARCHIDI: I mean, of course you come to Boston, right? You landed in Boston. You must have freaked out when you saw [laughter]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You say, "What the heck is this?" Oh, you know, I've seen big cities like -- you know, there were a few big cities near my hometown, you know, but it was just a different type of an atmosphere too, you know. It was set up different, you know. The cars were big, you know, so what the heck is this one, bus? GREG CARCHIDI: And when you came to Boston, you saw… NUNZIO ROSELLI: I used the small cars in Europe, you know, and you see all these [laughter] tanks. GREG CARCHIDI: The food is same thing. The first thing, is the food any -- like you eat different here, or…? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, when we get over here, I remember the first thing I think I tasted that was really big was potato chips. I didn't like it. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: I don't like potato chips at all. And I really didn't like it. But after a while, I developed at taste for it, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, I like potato chips, but you know, at that time, especially those Ruffles with the ridges, you know what I mean [laughter]? Funny flavor [unintelligible - 00:10:57] exactly what it was, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah [laughter]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, any idea of hamburgers… GREG CARCHIDI: McDonalds and stuff… NUNZIO ROSELLI: McDonalds, you know. It was different, but I'd still rather eat Italian still.9 GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, that's what we eat at home. We're not the gravy and potatoes type people, you know what I mean? GREG CARCHIDI: Oh yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: I mean potatoes… GREG CARCHIDI: Unless it's sausage and… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, unless it's sausage [laughter]… GREG CARCHIDI: Like the peppers and the onions and the garlic. They can keep McDonalds. NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's right [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: They can keep it, man. All right. When you first settled down, when you came to America, did you come right to Leominster? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, right. Like I said, we had a set of relatives here, and we lived with them for a couple of months until we found our own apartment. And we lived in an apartment for about eight months, then we found another apartment. We lived there about six years, then we moved here and we bought this house. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. Nice house. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Thank you. GREG CARCHIDI: You've got your drums on there, huh? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, I got all my stuff yeah [laughter]. We've been living here about four or five years, so. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: We enjoy it here. GREG CARCHIDI: Right, nice. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, nice part of town. GREG CARCHIDI: All right, I don't know maybe… when you were growing up, I mean, did your parents -- do you remember anything that your parents said to you about -- like they must have lived through the war in Italy.10 NUNZIO ROSELLI: Mm-hmm, yeah. They tell me a lot about their experiences, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, bad experiences. Good experiences too, you know. There were things that, you know, they remember about the war that they can relate too, but you know, I mean, what's there to say? It's just going to… GREG CARCHIDI: They made it through alive. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, they made it through, yeah. My mom always told me about her father. He joined the service. He had to join, you know. It was drafted for… GREG CARCHIDI: World War II or World War I? NUNZIO ROSELLI: World War II. GREG CARCHIDI: World War II. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right, and he was there for about few months, then they send him back because he had too many kids, so many kids he couldn't really, you know, be involved with the war and take care of the family. Because, you know, in Italy, in other words, in Italy it's not like over here. I don't mean to get off the subject or anything… GREG CARCHIDI: No, that's okay. NUNZIO ROSELLI: In other words, there isn't as much… women's lib, you know what I'm trying to say? GREG CARCHIDI: Things like that? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: You mean like white for the flag and the… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, no. What I'm saying is the woman's place is in the home, okay. In other words, my grandfather was out fighting, okay? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. 11 NUNZIO ROSELLI: And he wasn't home, and he had all these kids to take care of. Who's going to take care of them as far as supporting them, you understand? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: So they had to do things like that because of the way life is in Italy, you know. The woman really isn't as free as over here, not really free. I don't know if this is true with you. It's just… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Just a way of life, you know? I don't know. GREG CARCHIDI: It's definitely different, yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, but you know, about the war, yeah. My parents told me stories about the soldiers used to come to town. Like all right, the soldiers used to come and used to give the kids candies and stuff like that, you know, and then they used to give food from some of the neighbors, you know, the Italian food, because [unintelligible - 00:14:26] or not. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Wow. NUNZIO ROSELLI: [Unintelligible - 00:14:33] experiences. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. So what school did you go to when you started school over here in Leominster? NUNZIO ROSELLI: That was at Priest Street. GREG CARCHIDI: Priest Street School? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right, up on… GREG CARCHIDI: Your Doyle Field up there? NUNZIO ROSELLI: No, no, wait. Pierce, I'm sorry. GREG CARCHIDI: Pierce Street? NUNZIO ROSELLI: I got it mixed up. Pierce Street, yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: So you lived up in North Leominster?12 NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right, that's where we moved to, right, yeah. I always get the two schools mixed up. GREG CARCHIDI: It's funny. I interviewed my grandmother. When my grandmother first came to America, that's the school she started. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Is that right? GREG CARCHIDI: Pierce Street. This is back in 19 -- oh Jesus, 1910, 1911, 1909, right around… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Amazing, that's [unintelligible - 00:15:16] [laughter]. Those of you who don't know what wig is [laughter] don't ask. That's great [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: So you started school there, and then you went right to like sixth grade and stuff? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, I moved to… Fallbrook. GREG CARCHIDI: Fallbrook. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, I went to Fallbrook, then I went to Lancaster Street, then I went to, you know… GREG CARCHIDI: How long did it really take you to kind of get the language, the English language, down? NUNZIO ROSELLI: I'd say after about a year and a half, you know, pretty good, you know, to it, you know… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Because I could speak pretty good after about a year or so. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: But still, it's a lot of the vocabulary, it takes years to pick up on everything, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Because you're never sure if some of the words they're saying, you know, what exactly are they saying, you know? I always said that to myself. GREG CARCHIDI: Did the kids in school act… how did they treat you in school, say like in fourth or fifth grade? Like if you spoke Italian in front of 13 them, did they look up to you like you were really something special, or…? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, yeah. In a way. GREG CARCHIDI: Celebrity like… NUNZIO ROSELLI: In a way, yeah. But I don't think there was that much of a difference, you know, between me. Once I got in the fourth grade, like when I was in second, I was different. But you know, like you say, you know, when I used to talk, I used to say well, what is this kid, you know? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah [laughter]. Did they ever call you [guinea] or anything? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Did you ever get to any fights when you were little, you know? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh yeah. I got into a fight once, I remember. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. I used to detest them. They'd call me wop or guinea or something. I used to be hurt for that. I don't like that. No, you know, if a friend says, you know, let's knock it off at school. But when I was little, I used to be really serious about it, you know. But now, you know, unless the guy's really serious about it to me… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's the only time I take it. It's weird, but yeah. That happens. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. Did you and your family belong to any social clubs? When you first came over, did you get in like -- what do they have? They used to have the Corifinio Club and the…? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh, you mean Italian social clubs? GREG CARCHIDI: Italian clubs, or like the church or whatever. NUNZIO ROSELLI: No, not really. My parents really aren't much of, you know, people, like go out and get involved and like that you know… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. 14 NUNZIO ROSELLI: In Italy they were, because they felt safe. They felt, you know, more at home. GREG CARCHIDI: Everything was closed there. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah everything is closed, you know. You know, the language, you go out… GREG CARCHIDI: Right. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Social people there. But you come over here, it's a different thing, you know. They sort of lost their -- how do you say it? You know, they don't do it anymore. GREG CARCHIDI: Free spirit, or like… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, their willingness to go out as much or stuff like that, you know, because it's just a total different, different country, you know. They're still not fully used to it. GREG CARCHIDI: Really? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, they aren't, you know. They speak their language a little much better, you know. They can understand what you're saying. You know, it's still… but like I said, we get a lot of friends, you know. They're always over at somebody's house or somebody's over here or something's going on. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, that's good. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, you know. What are you going to do when you don't have many relatives, you know? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. Do you remember like your first part-time job or something? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, probably [laughter]. Well, the first… probably I was a baby boy for about five years. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, I had two, three paper routes. I had one in Lancaster Street, and then I had one up here, five years [unintelligible - 00:19:19].15 GREG CARCHIDI: You're in a unique position. A lot of immigrants that -- you know, people that came over from Italy, the people that I know, it's usually like people my grandparents' age, you know? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right, the older people. GREG CARCHIDI: Which makes my parents, you know, native-born Americans, you know what I mean? And you were born over there, and then you came here when you were, what, seven? Yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Mm-hmm. GREG CARCHIDI: And so I guess, you know, it's safe to say that you've adjusted pretty well to America, you know, to the ways of life here. But still, I think -- would you say that you have preserved certain features about Italian lifestyle, the Italian culture? Have you preserved those at all? You know, not really specific, but I mean as far as relaxing like on Sunday? I know I do, my family. You know, nobody's going to catch me up raking leaves on Sunday afternoon, you know, at two o'clock. I'm gonna be in the house eating dinner. You know, I could give a sweet shit if World War III was coming, man. Sunday dinner is… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Is more important, right. GREG CARCHIDI: You know what I mean? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well… GREG CARCHIDI: Do you still preserve certain things like that, or…? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. Well, my parents preserve a lot of things that are Italian. They have to, because I mean, you know most of their life was spent doing that, you know. It's only been 10 years that they've been here compared to 30 years in Italy or 40 years in Italy, you know? So they have a lot of things that -- I can't remember what, but [laughter]. Well, food's one thing, you know… GREG CARCHIDI: Food… NUNZIO ROSELLI: The way you celebrate certain holidays. GREG CARCHIDI: Right. 16 NUNZIO ROSELLI: Even the way you treat guests, you know? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, like I said, my parents -- all right, in other words, as far as being hosts and stuff like that, they host more like an Italian host than somebody over here would host people, you know what I mean? It's a different type of… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: I don't know how to describe it… GREG CARCHIDI: I don't know. It seems to me like I've been… most of my friends were Italian, but I don't know. You can tell right away when you go into an Italian household… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right, right. GREG CARCHIDI: Well, especially when the people are from Italy. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Because the house is set a certain way, and in other words, you know… I know a certain openness about the people, to strangers… GREG CARCHIDI: Right. Or for meetings… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, "Sit down, have a drink," you know, all the stuff like that, you know? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Want a drink? Want something to drink? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Want a beer? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, all right. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. I'll get upstairs… GREG CARCHIDI: Okay, we'll have a timeout here. NUNZIO ROSELLI: All right. GREG CARCHIDI: Time off against it [laughter]. Okay. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Even if it's all for just a quick call. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh yeah.17 GREG CARCHIDI: The hospitality is nice. Personally, yourself, have you ever had any bad experiences here or in America? Or is there anything that has ever affected you to the extent that you wish you were back in Italy? You wish you went, you know, you wish you still lived there? You wish you lived your life there, you know? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, when I first moved here, there were a lot of things that hit me. The biggest thing I'll tell you was the freedom, you know, like kids over there had a lot more freedom, okay? By that, what I mean is every night you go out [laughter]. I mean, a 7-year-old kid will be out downtown in a bar and with a few friends of his, seven, eight years old, nine, whatever. GREG CARCHIDI: Really? NUNZIO ROSELLI: They'd be out there, they'd order a beer, you know? GREG CARCHIDI: You can go order a beer or order a glass of wine? NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know what I'm trying to say? Or you know, even if you don't do that, you go out every night. You're out, and you're in a place where there are a lot of people, you can meet a lot of people, you know what I'm trying to say? But over here, you know, your nights would be spent home, you know? I've never seen winters in Sicily. The biggest winter I've seen is maybe 2 inches of snow, nothing really big, you know? GREG CARCHIDI: Really? NUNZIO ROSELLI: And then all of a sudden I come here, it's five feet, you know? [Laughter] You walk out the door and say, "What the hell is this?" you know? GREG CARCHIDI: With all the snow. NUNZIO ROSELLI: But I think it's mostly the freedom that I had over there as a kid that I never had here, that I'm starting to enjoy now that I'm, you know, 17, 18, that I can go out, you know, have a good time that way, you know. I couldn't do that when I was younger.18 GREG CARCHIDI: So you think over here, they kind of postponed everything? They make you wait? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: They make you wait before they let you live. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, which in a way is good, in a way it's not. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, you got to think. They got to have some rules. NUNZIO ROSELLI: How is it that a country like Italy manages and a white kid can't manage it here? I can't understand that. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, I mean, see, in Italy, that whole attitude towards booze or something like that is different. You know, they don't think of it the way you think of a beer here. "Oh, kids having a beer! Oh! Hit him!" you know, do this… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Over there, the parents will get a kick out of giving the kid a beer, you know, "Drink it." Here, "Can you drink this?" [Laughter] No, no… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah [laughter]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, I had a little cousin, my uncle used to get a kick out of seeing him smoke. He was like two years old. GREG CARCHIDI: Really? NUNZIO ROSELLI: My uncle used to get a kick out of seeing the kid smoke and blow through his nose [laughter]. I couldn't believe it. I used to do it, yeah. It's the way Italians are, you know? We're, I don't know… different [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. What the heck, I admit it. NUNZIO ROSELLI: I don't know [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: What the heck [laughter], I admit it… NUNZIO ROSELLI: I admit it about you too [laughter]. 19 GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. Have you been able to form any opinion about the American political system? NUNZIO ROSELLI: I'm not much into that. I don't know about it because, you know… GREG CARCHIDI: Well, over here, you know, the politics kind of dictates how you live. I mean… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, well… GREG CARCHIDI: You pay tax, all kinds of taxes here. NUNZIO ROSELLI: All right, all right. As far as taxes, from what I see, it's too much over here, okay? It's good because the government is rich and all that and they can do a lot, and that's why the country's probably rich. But see, besides there being a lot of work and stuff like that -- but see, in Italy, you don't have the taxes that you got over here, okay? People make less money, okay? But they spend less on taxes, you know? And they don't work as hard. My parents always say how work over here is, you know, it's like hard compared to work in Italy. You work in Italy, you get a three-hour lunch break, you know? And if you work all year around, you get at least one month vacation, yeah, something like two weeks you get over here or one week, you know? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Plus the fact that every night, you go out having a good time, something like that, you know? It's more relaxed. People don't work as hard. They have more time to themselves. GREG CARCHIDI: Everything is competitive over here. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Have you noticed that? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah that's right, that's right. GREG CARCHIDI: They compete for everything, I guess, [unintelligible - 00:27:01]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Even for your job, even for your job. See, I don't know, it's just different. That's the only thing that I don't like. But I'm used to 20 it, you know? I mean, I can relate to other American, I could relate to it, you know, as far as work, you know. It doesn't bother me because I grew up here, you know, so. All right, good night. SPEAKER 2: Go out [laughter]. I'll go. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Bye. Yeah, they go out a lot, gonna have a good time [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: That's good [laughter], that's good. You've given me most of your opinions about the people who lived there. NUNZIO ROSELLI: [Unintelligible - 00:27:48]. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, yeah, [laughter], you know. What else? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Talk, talk. GREG CARCHIDI: I mean, like heck, you lived in Italy for seven years, you know? There must have been a few things that really… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, I like both countries, you know, as far as opinion and the way of life. I'm used to the way of life here. You know, I'm not against it. I like the way of life over here. I like staying at home at nights, or -- you know what I mean, as opposed to always going out, like in Italy. In other words, people over there relax by going out and talking to friends, you know? Well the people over here relax by staying at home, watching TV, you know? In Italy, you know, you don't have TVs like over here. You don't have the entertainment at home… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: To do over here. Just stay home and just listen to the radio or TV. So people go out more, people go out to socialize with their friends, or there's a group of friends that comes over to somebody's house, you know. It's just a mock. GREG CARCHIDI: They play cards… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, play cards, have wine. People are just crazy over there. Just, you know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, they make a big thing out of it over here. NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's right.21 GREG CARCHIDI: They got to go out. The woman gets ready for four hours, you know. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: That's the way. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, it's different. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm just saying. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: It's a big difference. GREG CARCHIDI: It's true. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, and I could deal with either one. GREG CARCHIDI: Okay, I know probably your favorite hobby is music, because we play in the same band. So, did you start playing the drums when you were in Italy or when you were that young? NUNZIO ROSELLI: No, I just started playing that thing when I was 11. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: I was in the fifth grade over here. Matter of fact, I started playing because I was sort of forced into it by my fifth grade teacher. I studied with this real mean Italian lady. Her name was Ms. Holera… GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah [laughter]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: She was a nun at one time, you know. It was [unintelligible - 00:29:48] really mean [unintelligible - 00:29:50] you know [laughter]. Anyways, one day we got a call from the office, anybody wanted to try out for the band, you know, who could try out. And she goes I hope everybody in here is going to try out, because if you don't -- she made some remark or something. So I was afraid of her, you know. She said I'd better go down and try out, you know, or else she might get really mad at me, you know. I don't want that, so I went down. I was like -- hey, I thank her for it now, you know? GREG CARCHIDI: Really?22 NUNZIO ROSELLI: I wouldn't have gone down [laughter]. Hey, she was Italian, too. GREG CARCHIDI: But that's pretty good. But you never really had -- did you have any hobbies in Italy when you were, like, your first seven years of life over there? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Seven years? GREG CARCHIDI: You just did what the other kids did? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, what kind of a hobby does a kid have when he's seven? You know what I mean? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, they don't even start -- you know, over here, they don't even start with playing little league baseball until they're eight or nine, something. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You believe that I play any sports… GREG CARCHIDI: What did you do over there, you know, when you were little? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh, for fun? I played soccer… you know. What do kids do? They just hang out. GREG CARCHIDI: Hang out… NUNZIO ROSELLI: [Unintelligible - 00:31:05] when I was seven, you know. Yeah, that's mostly what I did. I had a few friends around the neighborhood. We used to always meet. We'd meet like at eight o'clock in the morning, you know, when there was no school. We'd be out till 12, go home eat 12, sleep a few hours, and then after… GREG CARCHIDI: Go back to school? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, go back on the afternoon, you know, and just play [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: How was the school over there in Italy? So you must have went '67, '66. You must have gone to school over there. Did you go like five days a week like here? NUNZIO ROSELLI: No. GREG CARCHIDI: Three or something or whatever? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Not at all. I went six days a week. It went longer as far as the weeks go, but you only went from 8 to 12. You don't have to go in 23 the afternoon, you know? You went Saturdays, but you don't have to go. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: That's good. NUNZIO ROSELLI: They ought to keep that up. I used to like school when I was in Italy. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: I had a teacher that really liked me. She knew my mother, and just really liked me [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: You were only 6, 7 years old. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, people in Italy mature fast. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah [laughter]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: No, I know. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, I had sideburns when I was about 13, 14. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right, right. Don't you find that a lot of…? GREG CARCHIDI: I had full sideburns. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: When I was 14, I could have grown, you know… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right. GREG CARCHIDI: I had to shave my sideburns and my mustache. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, I started shaving when I was in the sixth grade. GREG CARCHIDI: Really? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Uh-huh. But as far as maturing, I don't know if it means much, but when I went over there a few years ago, I find that girls are like 13, 14, I mean… GREG CARCHIDI: Developed, yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Developed. They looked like they were 18, 19. GREG CARCHIDI: Well developed, yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: It's not [unintelligible - 00:32:58] I couldn't believe it. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. Hey, you want to go? Let's go, okay [laughter]?24 NUNZIO ROSELLI: No, no, it will freak you out. GREG CARCHIDI: Well, yeah. It's like over here. One of my other friends goes back every year, you know, Sandro Vittorioso. He goes back every year for [unintelligible - 00:33:16]. He goes to Italy. She has relatives that are still over there, and he says it's amazing, it's amazing. Just like what you're saying, he says exactly the same, because he's from a small, small town or village, you know. He says the same thing. He says people over here, you know, you can't beat this country for its richness and all that, but people over there, you know, open a store when they get up [laughter], when they get out. But when they have to wake up or when they do get up and all those siesta. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Is that [unintelligible - 00:33:53]? GREG CARCHIDI: Jeez, I wished they had that [laughter]. If we were good at our band, then we'd become good, real good… NUNZIO ROSELLI: We could have the same thing… GREG CARCHIDI: Real good, we could get rich. We could have a siesta every day, a little espresso [laughter]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: A little espresso. Yeah, that will keep you up if you get a siesta, isn't that right? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah [laughter]. Well, do you think you would ever go back there to live? NUNZIO ROSELLI: I might. But I really -- well, I used to think about it a lot more, you know, when I was younger. Because after I lived here for a year or two, I got homesick, okay? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: I really got homesick. That happened, you know, all the way up to about five years, six years ago, you know, after -- I've lived for like seven years. Well, after I've lived here for about six, seven years, I started realizing, you know, I started growing up here, I started becoming, you know, more of an American, you know. I 25 grew up with kids that, you know, they were Americans. I talked to them in English. I did the same things they did, you know. I play football or whatever, you know? You know what I'm trying to say? So it's… GREG CARCHIDI: I don't know what you're saying. NUNZIO ROSELLI: So I sort of felt both ways… GREG CARCHIDI: You feel -- yeah… NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, when I went over there for a vacation at summer, I stayed out there a month, and I'm just used to it over there. It was like I never came over here. And I came back here, and I have a hard time getting used to it. But once I get used to it, I could handle over here. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know. GREG CARCHIDI: All right. I got a couple of other questions. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You mean that hasn't run out yet? GREG CARCHIDI: All right. No, no, no [laughter]. About 10 minutes, Nunz. Hang in there. NUNZIO ROSELLI: No problem. GREG CARCHIDI: I want to ask you. Like I know that we all, like, all of us Italian Americans here, we like salami… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Proscuitto, capicola, pepperoni with, you know, provolone cheese. I always wondered this. Now, the Italian cold cuts that we get over here, are they as good or close to what you get over there, the real thing? NUNZIO ROSELLI: No way. They're absolutely not, absolutely not. GREG CARCHIDI: You mean this is second-rate garbage? NUNZIO ROSELLI: This isn't even a second rate. I mean, this is… GREG CARCHIDI: This is real horse dung, man [laughter]? NUNZIO ROSELLI: If you want to compare it -- holy shit, you know, it is. 26 GREG CARCHIDI: So we're paying four, five dollars a pound for cured capicola over here? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right. They have in a ball over there, you know, good stuff. It's a big difference. Even the stuff they import from Italy over here… GREG CARCHIDI: It's not as good? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Nothing compared to the real, you know… GREG CARCHIDI: It's nice over there. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, nothing compared to it. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. As a matter of fact, we just bought some capicola. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Gonna hang it up in the other room there. GREG CARCHIDI: Oh yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. Hey, if you want a slice, you'll just slice it later on, man. GREG CARCHIDI: No, that's okay [laughter]. NUNZIO ROSELLI: You know, well… GREG CARCHIDI: What, you buy it from Italy? Somebody sent it over? NUNZIO ROSELLI: It's not from Italy, but it's from a store that's supposed to make it just like Italy. It's good. Don't get me wrong, it's good. GREG CARCHIDI: You know [unintelligible - 00:37:01] in Boston… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: In the north end in Boston, that's pretty good. NUNZIO ROSELLI: They're from Italy? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah, I think they make their own. Some they make their own, some they import. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Very expensive, but… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, you know, it's the same. The only thing about it that's kind of hard, the flavor's still not as good as the Italian. Anything, you just can't beat it, the sauce…27 GREG CARCHIDI: See what I mean? That's what I do on Sundays. You know, it's not what you like to do on a -- you gotta take a day in the weekend, you eat a capicola, sit down [laughter], pasta, antipasto… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Uh-huh, that's great [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: It's like Thanksgiving. The Americans, they feature the turkey Thanksgiving. We feature lasagna, you know [laughter]? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Manicotti. GREG CARCHIDI: Manicotti. NUNZIO ROSELLI: We had Manicotti in Thanksgiving. We had the turkey, but hey, you give them… GREG CARCHIDI: The turkey's last. NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's right [laughter]. GREG CARCHIDI: The turkey's last. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right. GREG CARCHIDI: Nothing against the Americans, but I mean hey, when they can make a turkey that tastes as good as lasagna or manicotti, then we'll eat it first, you know [laughter]? Well, all right. This is one of the things I want to ask you. Yeah, that's right. Okay, you're a senior now at high school, at Leominster High School. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: You're the head drum major for the band, the marching band. You've been in the all-state concert band your junior, and you look like you've got a real good chance to have a decent career in music, like -- I know you do very well in school. Do you have any plans to, you know, go to college for your education, or -- what do you think you might like to do? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Sure, yeah I'd go for a [mortician's] job, no [laughter]. It's like a friend of mine who goes to college for philosophy and gets out and becomes a [mortician]. I'm going for music, yeah. Definitely. I've thought about it for four years now, you know? I kind of decided against for three or four years, but this year I realized that, 28 you know, I can't go for [unintelligible - 00:39:12] engineering. I'm going to go there, you know, I'm just going to flunk out, you know, just -- because I can't do it. You know, I got to do something I like. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: I just couldn't go for four years, four other years in school. I'll take some courses like calculus again, yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: Well, do what you like. NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's right. GREG CARCHIDI: That's good. NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's the way I feel about it. You know, my parents, they say, "Hey," you know, "what are you doing? You got to go for something that's," you know -- I think they kind of realized now that that's what I got to do. They have to respect me for it. GREG CARCHIDI: It's the same thing. A lot -- that's an American thing over here, [unintelligible - 00:39:48] parents. You're going to become a doctor, you're going to be a lawyer, you're going to be -- you know, my parents not as much as I know other parents… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right. GREG CARCHIDI: But you know, over here, you got the freedom to do what you want, when you want, and why. You know, why you want to do what you're going to do. You might as well take advantage of it. NUNZIO ROSELLI: That's right. Well my parents, you know, "Why don't you go for something like lawyer stuff?" I said, "I just can't do that. I see no reason why I --" you know, I can't do something like that. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: See, all right, my parents grew up in a time when work was scarce, the war was going on. So they're more inclined to feel that [unintelligible - 00:40:29]. GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. Well go ahead, go ahead. It's all right. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Can I stop over there?29 GREG CARCHIDI: No, no, okay [laughter]. No, it's okay [laughter]. Hurry up, the tape's running out. NUNZIO ROSELLI: All right, all right [laughter]. Well see, my parents feel, my parents feel -- they're more inclined to feel that work is something that you go to work, okay? That's not something that you have to enjoy as long as you make money out of it, you know what I mean? GREG CARCHIDI: Yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Because they grew up in a time in Italy when work was scarce, you know, and you have to make a living and stuff, you know. But I think they understand that, you know… they're not giving me a hard time about it, you know. I told them once, like I'd decided, I've made up my mind a few months ago and I told them, you know, they opposed it, but they haven't said anything ever since, you know. They're not going to bug me about it. GREG CARCHIDI: Hold it against you, yeah. NUNZIO ROSELLI: They can't do that. GREG CARCHIDI: That's okay. This about wraps it up here. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh, finally. GREG CARCHIDI: But that's good. All right [laughter]. But it's interesting, Nunz, because… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Oh, nice talking to you. GREG CARCHIDI: Really, there's not many Italian immigrants that are, you know, your age around that can have and really express their opinion like you did. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: So this has been an interview, an oral history, [laughter] with Nunzio Roselli. You're 18, right? NUNZIO ROSELLI: I'm going to be 18. I'm sorry, I didn't tell it. January first. GREG CARCHIDI: And you skipped a grade, right? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah.30 GREG CARCHIDI: They kept you back then you skipped a grade in school. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Right. GREG CARCHIDI: You must have, because you're 17. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Well, [unintelligible - 00:42:03] should be out. I should have been out last year. GREG CARCHIDI: Oh yeah? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah. GREG CARCHIDI: But you did skip a grade? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Yeah, I did skip a grade because… GREG CARCHIDI: After you learned a lot? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Hey, they screwed me once, you know? They can't screw me all the time. GREG CARCHIDI: Hey, that's right [laughter]. Okay. So thank you very much, Nunz. Why don't you say goodbye to the people in your native tongue? NUNZIO ROSELLI: Arrivederci. [Speaking in Italian] and as long as you pay me an extra 10 bucks this week, you know [laughter]… GREG CARCHIDI: Say merry… NUNZIO ROSELLI: Buon Natale, Buon Natale. It means Merry Christmas. GREG CARCHIDI: Buon Natale. NUNZIO ROSELLI: Buon Natale. GREG CARCHIDI: All right gracias, gracias. NUNZIO ROSELLI: [Speaking in Italian]. GREG CARCHIDI: [Speaking in Italian], okay. This about wraps it up. NUNZIO ROSELLI: [Speaking in Italian]. GREG CARCHIDI: Now that's the way it is./AT/jf/cl/es