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Transcript of an oral history interview with Theodore A. "Ted" Arcidi conducted by Sarah Yahm at the interviewee's business in Manchester, New Hampshire, on 11 March 2015, as part of the Norwich Voices oral history project of the Sullivan Museum and History Center. Ted Arcidi is a member of the Norwich University Class of 1982 and a former professional wrestler, actor and power lifter. His interview includes discussion of both his career and his experiences as an athlete and a student attending Norwich University. ; 1 Theodore A. "Ted" Arcidi NU 1982, Oral History Interview March 11, 2015 At interviewee's business in Manchester, NH Interviewed by Sarah Yahm Transcribed by C.T. Haywood, NU '12, April 4, 2015 SY: Whenever you're ready we can let the games begin. TA: Alright, shoot. SY: So can you introduce yourself for the mic. TA: Ted Arcidi, graduate of Norwich in '82. SY: Excellent, and we're here at your business in Manchester, New Hampshire. What's the name of your business? TA: Building and business. I developed this building. It's a mill building, an older building and I also have my business here, Weightlifters Warehouse where we sell fitness equipment. SY: Excellent, can I borrow a pen? Interview pauses SY: Okay, so the thing with oral history is we get to start out early. So where were you born? And when you were a kid what did you want to be when you grew up? TA: A Norwich grad [said in joking tone]—hold on I'll get there SY: Okay, okay. TA: I was born in, I was born in Buffalo, New York and what did I want to aspire to? I didn't even know until like high school. I wanted to be a pro hockey player because I was I was really good in hockey and I played it, you know, religiously – practiced, practiced, practiced, practiced. I think I got my work ethic from my parents. I mean I'd be on the pond skating when—I went to private school so it was great I'd be skating by myself just doing drills, shooting drills, things like that for hours. Stick handling. I was a defenseman but I was small. I didn't really grow until like college, you know, late bloomer. And during that time I got into weight training and I just I just caught the bug you know. I was red shirting for Norwich. I was playing hockey at Salem State. I was in the JV's over there. They brought me up a couple of times to the varsity but I still needed some more work so I just started lifting weights and doing my cardio, doing my running and when I went to Norwich I had to red shirt because when you transfer you have to you know sit out a year. And that's when I just started lifting even more and more and making like I said those five pound gains on the bench every week. SY So [coughs] what did you like about it? TA: I loved it because I could just see my body changing and getting stronger. And maybe helped out my self-esteem too you know because I was kind of scrawny. I was wiry, I was strong. All's I used to do before was push-ups, sit ups, a lot of calisthenics, which are good which I find out are really advantageous to weight lifting because all those years that I was doing that I was, my tendons were getting stronger and my ligaments. I was getting a good base core. 2 SY: Yeah. So I'm just, going back to you, you at like five years old or ten years old how would you felt at that moment… TA: If I knew what was gonna happen? SY: Yeah when you got the title, "strongest man in the world!" TA: Oh it would be, I wouldn't believe it, they would have the wrong guy. It wasn't even in my wheelhouse, wasn't even in my radar. It was like, yeah I mean it was just like reserved for people that were born big or maybe they were just lived on farms or something I don't know. But I, but I never had that type of diligence then. And it wasn't a popular sport you know, so. I mean you'd watch it on TV and stuff the people, you know the big Russians and stuff concentrating and stuff, but that's as far as it went as far as like you know inquiring about that. SY: And did it drive you crazy that you were small? TA: I knew I was gonna grow. But I didn't, I didn't like any kid especially when it comes to sports you know you want to have some size because you're competing against other people especially in a sport like hockey. I did a lot of baseball, basketball, you know, recreational stuff. Little league. I didn't get much past that. Then I just concentrated on hockey like in the sixth/seventh grade. Started with the recreation then went to youth hockey and then high school hockey. That's the Bobby Orrick era, you know, that was big. Everybody did, everybody played street hockey all day. I mean that's a difference today, kids don't do that. They're not outside. They're like on their, you know their iPhones and stuff. They're missing a beautiful segment of their life, you know. SY: I know it's true. You're preaching to the choir on that one. Okay so you were at Salem State for a while and then how'd you end up at Norwich? TA: I flunked out [laughs]. I almost flunked out. I was there and I didn't have a real good first semester and I was bouncing on the side. This is, this is when I started lifting weights and you know yeah you wanna work your loins, you wanna get the benefits, you know? Because I'd never, I'm thinking, "Wow," you know, I could actually go to bars and hang out with the guys and stuff. It was like a whole new identity, you know. So like anyone else that gets anatomically more fit and more muscular you, you're young, God, you know, and so I worked at a bar, and a place called Face's in Salem. It was like a bikey bar and the homework, and I was like still training to play hockey but the homework just, I just wasn't doing it, you know. And I got like a 0.0 average [laughs]. SY: That's impressive. TA: Yeah, yeah. And then I had the talk with the dad and he says ah, he knew I need direction, he didn't even know I worked there. But I thought it was cool, you know, because I'm making money off my physique, so. So what I did was, we had the talk, he says, "You know, you got to improve. And you improve, we're gonna send you to another school, send you to Norwich." Because he went to Norwich himself. SY: Oh he did, so is he a military guy? TA: Yeah, he didn't graduate. He ended up transferring to UVM, but he did a freshmen year there. But he knew about it. He had friends there and stuff. SY: And did he think you needed the military discipline? 3 TA: I needed, yeah, to just get more focused. And I did like it. I did the tour up there in senior year, but I wasn't ready for it. And then now I was, you know, at the time. So I had to really bust my ass and really do well in school that second semester or else if I didn't get my grade average up to like B, which I knew I could do, I was gonna be working like a regular job. He says, "You're out of your house. I'm not gonna support, and you've obviously made a choice, go work in the real world." Which, he was a thousand percent right. SY: So you were like, "Okay I'm gonna be a bouncer forever or I'm gonna get my shit together." TA: Or work construction or something else, you know, or go try to play junior hockey in Canada which I wasn't good enough to play major junior A. So I really focused on—and that was a time when I was starting to lift and I'm thinking, "You know I'm just gonna see where lifting takes me," you know. Because I read about body building and lifting and power lifting and stuff, but I never entered any contests or anything. So I got my grade cume up and it worked out well. I gutted it out and I ended up getting enough credits and a good cume to get into Norwich. SY: As a? TA: As a sophomore. SY: As a sophomore. So you didn't have to do Rook Week? You didn't have to—? TA: Oh yeah I still had to do that. I got Recognized a little earlier than the other guys but I still had to do that, get in there in August and stuff, you know. SY: So what was that like? TA: That wasn't bad. I wish they'd fed me more. I was so hungry. They didn't give me enough food, because I was lifting. Everybody thought I was a football player. Now the football players got to eat more because they were athletes but it's like, "Come on man, I'm a weight lifter, you know, I lift more than these guys do. Cut me some slack." I almost left the school. SY: Because you were just hungry? TA: I was starving. You only get a serving and stuff. And that all changed, yeah, because most of those football players and athletes were on work study, they had the waiter coats back then and they could eat as much as they want. I mean I'm paying the same tuition as these guys, these guys are in there for nothing, and they're eating better than me. This is outrageous. So I almost left the school. SY: So what did you do? Did you complain? TAL Yeah, yeah I complained and the and the straw broke the camel's back, when I was there for six months – I had already gotten Recognized - and I was going in for a late mess hall and I grabbed some eggs, you know, boiled eggs. And the head football coach - and I don't mind saying it now [laughs] but he was a real jerk, Barry Mynter, he grabbed my wrist and he said, "Put the eggs back." And I go, "No, I'm gonna eat." "Well it's only football players." "Well I'm an athlete too and people come in late and why are you doing this to me?", so. I went right to the president. SY: Who was it then? TA: Loring Hart, yeah. SY: And what did he say? 4 TA: I said, "You know I'm a lifter." And I think I started competing and, "I need the calories and I need the protein and I'm, you know even if I wasn't a competing athlete, for the money I should be able to eat more." So he signed a thing, a requisition, that I can get two steaks or two servings of whatever the meat was then, you know. And I thought it was so stupid it's like, man what about these other kids that didn't complain. That was a problem and I brought it up to them and I think things changed after that. You don't deprive people that are, you know, working their ass off in a school and these guys are paying top dollar and stuff. They might not be athletes but you don't do that to people. So anyway ah… SY: So you won that battle? TA: Yeah, yeah, and I wasn't trying to win or like get a scho—I just wanted to eat, you know, and then immediately it was fine, it was no big deal. SY: And if you were lifting that much you must have just been ravenous? TA: Yeah then I would have to get food from my house on weekends and stuff or go down to Lemory's at the time was there, I used to buy roast beef and stuff because they didn't feed you, they didn't feed you enough. And now it's different, I think you get to eat as much as you want right, probably? So I'm glad. Yeah I had it out with him too, that guy Mynter, he was a real horse's ass and I'll him to this day, man, look what you gave up [laughs]. Now I'm glad I did it for the other people though, there was a lot of lifters, because lifting was big, and they could only eat like one meal. This is insane, this is totally insane, so…. SY: Did you end up getting, so you got to eat to more, but did your lifting friends? TA: Yeah they started too. I said, "Tell them you're gonna leave. This is bullshit." You don't mind if I? SY: No of course I don't mind. That's fine. So I wonder if -- I also can picture you, you're this big guy at this point and you're in the Corps… TA: I was bigger than most of these football players. I mean I wasn't as tall but you know I could blow them away. And maybe there was some animosity there with them too. I mean they liked me and a couple of guys did help me lift and stuff in the old Armory. Jimmy Pavao who was a football player, he helped me out, real good guy. Arty and his brother, their last name was Stringfellow, they helped me out. And there was another kid I don't want to forget - um, what was his name? [pause]. I'll think of it. He helped me when, when we moved the weight system. We had the new complex which wasn't new now but it was in '81, the new place that I was lifting there, and he helped me a lot this other kid. I'll, I'll get his name. SY: Yeah, you'll remember it. So I'm trying to imagine it. Here you are, you're a year older than the other freshman. The cadre are, because you're a sophomore, the cadre are like doing their Rook thing and you're big, right? TA: Well I started getting some size. Everybody thought I was a full-back. I was still benching around 400 then, 420. SY: So did they mess with you less the cadre? TA: Uh they kind of picked on me a couple of times and stuff, I guess the whole breaking thing. You play the game, you know. I mean and I didn't want to get any different treatment, I just wanted to ah, you know I knew I was gonna get Recognized early as an upperclassmen so I was just going through things. Part of the, part of the regiment, because hey I decided to go to a military school and I should, you know, partake in their traditions, you know. Yeah and it's a character builder. It is. 5 SY: And do you feel like it ended up building your character? TA: I think so. I think that and then when I honed in on my skill, my, my ah, my attributes of becoming a competitive weightlifter. I think it just all came together and everybody's thinking you know, "Ted, you know he's representing the school," so that kind of gave me some status there too. But I busted my ass you know, and um… SY: Yeah what was your daily regimen? TA: Ah well I get up, I probably lift about 4 days a week, do my running still too. But when I lifted, I lifted very heavy, very heavy, twice a week, heavy on the upper body and two times a week on the squats. But I knew my forte was the bench because I was just like making five pound gains a week. That was insane. SY: That's insane--and I just can't imagine seeing your body transform that much. TA: Every time I looked in the mirror, and I wasn't on steroids at all you know um… SY: What was that like? TA: Did I take them later? Yeah I took 'em when I was World Class because everybody did, and that's the only way you're gonna compete. I mean these same people if you took 'em off steroids they're still gonna be number one and two in the world because they have genetics and they have built themselves up because of their workout routine and stuff, so that's just how it goes. SY: And that's the pressures of the competitive scene? TA: Well you have to do that especially if you want to make a name for yourself. I mean it opened up the doors to a ton of things, you know, being the best in the world, being the first man to bench press 700 pounds. That was a big thing, that was really big that was in all the, you know, Wide World of Sports and all that stuff. And that was, that was big. SY: So what does it do to your head to see your body changing that much? TA: Yeah getting back between my sophomore and junior year, and senior year every year. I mean I went there and I was benching as a fresh--well as sophomore like 400/420. And then there's a 100 pound gain after that for the next year, and another 100 pound gain after that. And I'm just saying to myself, "I'm not, I better not blow this," you know? Because at one point I was, I was thinking you know I have a shot to be the first man to bench press 700 pounds. I mean that's gonna, that's gonna be earth shattering. No one's ever done it. The world record at the time was 661. You're breaking it by like forty something pounds, that's like Bob Beamon in the long jump. You just blew it away. SY: So you sort of realized you could push the capacity of a human? TA: I knew that I could do 7, I think I had the ability to do 7 my [phone buzzes]. Can you cut for a second, okay? [tape turns off and then on again] SY: So alright, so okay, here's what I keep thinking about. TA: Where was I though? SY: You were talking about realizing you could bench press 7. 6 TA: Oh yeah because I was making these extraordinary gains, still not on the juice. I got up to, people don't believe this but I got up to a 600 pound bench without steroids. No one's ever done that. SY: What made your body able to do that? TA: I think it's good genetics and I was always into taking vitamins back when I was playing hockey. My mother being a nurse, my dad's an orthodontist, she got me on the B vitamins--take 'em every day. And then vitamin C. That was a new thing then but that helped a lot because while you're growing it does decrease your inflammation and makes you recuperate better. But I still think the big thing was I always ate well and I ate smart, you know, because of those two people. And I think the fact that, you know, partaking in sports is important, but even when I was doing sports the calisthenics, I was like insane about it. And I really feel that doing--I used to do dips like an animal, push-ups, chin-ups. And I really feel that that just commenced a great basis for weight training because my tendons were really strong. I, I because I did that for years. I did that for at least three years before I even touched the weight. SY: How many hours a day? TA: Oh not too long. I mean just enough to do my things. I do it like three days a week, but little did I know that was laying out the base. Because some people when they start weight training they ah, they're hitting walls and stuff because they don't have the foundation. I think I built up a foundation just doing a lot of good calisthenics -- clean, full-range of motion, yeah. SY: So when you were lifting then, what would go through your head or were you really not thinking? Was it almost like meditative? There was no…? TA: Oh you mean when I was doing maxes or just working out? SY: Just working out. TA: I loved the feeling of moving big weights. SY: What about it? TA: It's, it's hard to describe, because it feels like another rep. Even if it's one rep. It's not painful, it's just like, you're just putting all your effort into that one push, you know? And then of course you do supplementary exercises. I didn't just do bench pressing, I did a lot of triceps work behind the neck press which I had the world record at one time too. It's an odd lift but it's not really measured, but I did up to 375 for five, standing behind the neck press. SY: So it seems like part of it for you was just sort of like, it was kind of blowing your mind that you were lifting these things. TA: Yeah but I went with it. I went with it and that was what I gonna say. I was, because you know when you're training with heavy weight you gotta warm up. If I get injured, I'm screwed. A lot of guys were pulling pecs because you try too much and I just made sure I warmed up and stuff 'cause now you're getting into no man's land which is scary. And when you get three people spotting you: one in the middle, and one on each side ,when you're going for like reps over 500 pounds, one wrong tweak, you're screwed. You blow a peck, go back to dental school, you know [laughs]. That's where I would have been. And I said that to myself. I know I'm jumping ahead, but before I went out there in front of that crowd, I ah I felt a twinge when I was in the warm-up room and I was thinking, "Well you know something, if it's gonna rip, let it rip out there," you know. But it was just a nerve twinge because the thing went up like butter, it was--the crowd psyches you up you know. So yeah I had to watch myself but 7 I knew I was in no man's land and I made sure, three major things, because I you know, what was great was with school being a phys ed major you're doing so much anatomy and physiology, chemistry, and this was great because I correlated this into my body and it made perfect sense. I got it, you know, where a lot of people don't. And its three major things for weight training: plenty of protein, plenty of sleep, and recuperation. As I was getting heavier and heavier into lifting heavier weight I needed more days to recuperate, so then I was only benching heavier once a week and couldn't do that three days a week, you know, Monday through Friday because you're gonna beat the shit out of your system. You're gonna blow something. So you gotta listen to your body and that, that's what it took too. Because a lot people, there's a lot of decent athletes out there but they over train and then you once pull a peck or separate a shoulder you're out of the running man, you're never the same. SY: And you didn't have a coach or mentor? TA: No, all me, all me. SY: You were your own case study for phys ed? TA: Pretty much, yeah. I mean I was so thankful and I am to this day - um his first name was Scott, you can write that in there, the other kid that helped me out - just to get spotters. Now what was awesome was at the point, even when I was there as a sophomore you go in there and you're putting on weights and people aren't stupid, they're gonna stop and just see what you're doing and then you got a picture, "Okay next year he comes in 100 pounds gain." I would just be a show stopper, people would stop what they're doing and they're very willing to help and stuff too you know and get you psyched up, because you gotta get to that mental frame of mind. You're going for weight that you haven't seen rolled, you know. And I just had the three major components from my muscle groups: I had my pecs, my shoulders, and my tri's those things right there. And I trained them to the max so they had the best rest and the best ah reflex and reaction because speed's involved too, you can't you know you want to get a good explosive burst. And um, yeah and it's always been like a show time thing. SY: Yeah it is a show. TA: Yeah because you start, the whole gym stopped. They're never gonna see that weight again by anybody you know, so even when I was wrestling on the road at Gold's Gym. SY: Did you like it? TA: Yeah, yeah, it was like cool it was like [laughs] you know the clapping, I'm warming up with 400 and they're clapping. When I went do tours on the um, in Europe and stuff, Greece, I was very lucky with my vitamin line and and as a world record holder to do exhibitions. I made a lot of money doing that and I put it back into the company. And they're very cordial out there. They clap all the time. They're very, very nice people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. So yeah, it all, ah. God. SY: Did it go to your head? Here you are you got this young guy, you're stronger that everybody…? TA: Naw I didn't get cocky or nothing. I mean if I got drunk a few times with the guys, you know, it was guy stuff but I wouldn't no. I, I remain grounded because I knew where it got me and it you know everything is a circle, you go around and do something stupid it's gonna come back and get you. I've seen it happen to people in all sports and it just wasn't me. SY: So alright so you finish, you finish Norwich, you've started competing --8 TA: Right, well I was competing already, yeah, but now when I finished Norwich it was, I'm at a World Class level. SY: And meanwhile your dad's like, "Go to dental school." TA: Yeah, and I wanted to go to dental school because he had that speech with me my senior year when I was going up to graduation with my mom. He knew that, and I knew, especially in Concord, Mass where I grew up. First of all they're not gonna pick me as a Phys Ed teacher because they just, it's cronyism, even in public schools, you know. And where the jobs are so few and far between -- I mean you look at a globe it's probably the same way today, you know try to go teach at a decent school system where the money, which was great back then, might be 25 or 30, but you're never gonna get in. You're behind all these people and there's favorites. And then he's thinking, that's the beauty of my dad, he's still around, he was looking towards the future: "How you gonna have a family? You know, how are you gonna? Your wife's gonna have to work, she can't be home with the kids. You know that's gonna be tough." And he just kind of spelled it out for me. And he says, "You got some good sciences, you got a good base, I say take a year and do more prerequisites, and apply to dental school." And I did that while I was still lifting. And I got into Tufts. I did a year of prerequisites at Northeastern. I did some at Middlesex Community College, some other prerequisites. All science. I did that course "Stanley Kaplan for DAT's." I did well on my DAT's. I did average. For a phys ed major that's phenomenal! [laughs] So I ended getting into Tufts, Marquette, and NYU, and Georgetown. SY: Those are really good schools. TA: Yeah, yeah. SY: Look at that from failing out of Salem State. TA: Yeah, yeah. And the interviews and everything -- they knew I was a competitor too and they asked me, "Are you gonna compete?" "Yeah I'm still gonna compete." And I did. But my freshman year at Tufts, it's a very heavy course load you're with the med students, and with my working out it was getting tough because I got invited for the second time to the Hawaiian International Powerlifting Championships. And I couldn't handle both so I had a talk with the dean. I said, "Listen, I got to try this out. I mean I could be on the verge of really setting a big big record here." And they understood because they had some athletes, some kids who played minor ball and stuff, they took a leave of absence and they would come back and that's what I told them. And I told my father that and my father knew off the bat, he goes, "You're not gonna come back," and he was pissed and my mother was upset. But my dad really took it hard, because he was he was part of the Tufts program over there. My sister had gone there, he had done lectures there and I felt like I was letting him down but I said, "I'm never gonna have this chance again. I'm never gonna have it again." And at the time I was 283 or something, and I was gonna go for like the world record then to be beat 661. And that was 1984. So I left. I took the leave of absence January of '84,and still on leave [laughs]. SY: I was gonna say, so you gonna go back to dental school [laughs]? I'm kidding. TA: And yeah and…. SY: I'm still technically on leave from my Ph.D. program. TA: Really, yeah? SY: And it's been a long time [laughs].9 TA: Well you know, you only got one life, you know, so. So I did that and that really set the stage because I knew I was getting invited to the next one. Now keep in mind at the time these weights I'm going for - 650, 666, 700 you only can cycle, my workouts you can only cycle those like once a year because it does takes so much out of your body. And so I was really thinking this thing out smart, I said, "I'm gonna do this right, I want to get that seven. I know I can do it, but without getting injured, I'm not gonna have, I don't want to do 2/3 contests a year because I'll burn myself out. I'll get stale, I'll get hurt." So I planned it out well and um, I, the extension, the leave of absence continued you know for well the next year, 1985. And that's when I did it - March 3, 1985 in Hawaii. The third time I was out there, the Hawaiian International Powerlifting Championships. SY: So tell me about that day. TA: Yeah there's a sign right up there. That was the first one I did when I --you can see the--it was April 5, 1983. That's when I was on my leave of absence, not leave of absence I was doing my qualifications, my general, my studies for prerequisites for Tufts. And the next year I was in dental school. And then that was only like, I don't know four months, then I got out. So yeah he took it, he took it hard but I--it's like okay, I'm getting ready for this meet. So what I did was I ah…. SY: Did he not get the powerlifting thing too? What did he think? TA: I can't blame him because no one makes a living lifting weights, you know? There's no money in that. SY: Was he was he Polish? Was he the Polish? TA: He's Italian. SY: He's Italian. TA: Oh yeah. SY: Is he an immigrant? TA: Ah son of an immigrant. SY: Son of an immigrant so…. TA: It's in that category, that culture still you know - someone's gonna take your spot you know you're not gonna come back, and you know they think the worst, they're alarmists. That's the beauty of the man, he saw down the road. He wants to see not just the next ten years, you know, but what happens later because it goes by quick you know, time. So he ah, he was worried. I said, "Listen, if I don't get the record, I'm going back to school." I ended up getting the record. And wrestling was big and then the Globe like I said yesterday, the Globe did a big article on me and um… SY: So once that started happening did he stop worrying? TA: No. He assumed that I was going back to dental school. But he was the first one to find out that I wanted to get into pro-wrestling by reading the article. And I had that tape recording with the old machines, the voice machines, the uh telephone machines, answering machines, and I kept it for the longest time: "Ted, I just saw the Boston Globe article. If you even harbor a thought of joining that circus I'm changing the locks." Click. He didn't talk to me for several months. SY: Really? 10 TA: Yeah, I could see you know he's like, "What the hell are you doing now?" And I told him, I said, "Wrestling is really big now." And I went down to see Vince McMahon, you know he had contacted me and he heard of what I did and stuff. And Ken Patera who was a big wrestler back then who happened to be in the Olympics, in Olympic lifting, that's how he got in there like years before me. He was in jail because him, there was this big thing during WrestleMania, him and this other wrestler Saito they, they broke into a McDonald's. The guy was closing he said, "No I see the hambuger's here." They went in and then he had to do some time, so they needed another strongman. So timing is everything. He was like the strongest Olympic lifter at the time, silver medalist anyway. But was legit because people want to see a real strongman in wrestling. I don't care what they, you still see that today. Excuse me, hold that thought. [phone vibrates] SY: Holding that thought, holding that thought. Interview pauses and resumes. Okay so we were in the middle of you, you were talking about you were talking about '85. TA: Yeah, okay, so where was I? Um yeah, obviously still on my leave of absence. Is this before I set the record? SY: This is, well okay, we're talking about your dad, your dad's voice mail. TA: So I set the record, yeah and uh… SY: We still haven't gotten to the day of the record…. TA: and I'm hopping on the wrestling thing you know. SY: Right. TA: I want to make some money with this body. I mean I'm right there, I'm bigger than the wrestlers, you know? SY: But you hadn't done any wrestling? TA: No. No. And I knew I had to go camp, wrestling camp, so they put me in wrestling camp for six months down the WWF in Orange, Connecticut. And at the time now I started my vitamin company while I was student teaching in 1984, May of '84. And… SY: So you're back to phys ed? TA: Well I was, I was not student teaching, I was working as a sub and sometimes the full time teacher too like filling in and stuff because I was still um--yeah I was I was… SY: Because it's less time than dental school? TA: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because let me see now, when did? Yeah I lasted until January and done with school, January of '84. So I had to make a living. And I got back into, I got into teaching. I was always like subbing even while I was doing my prerequisites. I was subbing while I was going to Northeastern, Middlesex. And I did, I had a good name subbing, kids liked me, you know. And I was doing mostly sciences, I loved science because you know, biology, physical science, and I got paid the same money and I didn't have to run around in a sweat suit and stuff. Hell I wanted to save my energy for lifting you know? So at the time I was substituting and filling in as teachers, so I, at the same time I started my vitamin company in May of '84 with like four or five products out of Powerlifting USA. It was a magazine for powerlifters that got about maybe 15,000 subscribers but it was enough to start [sneezing from interviewer] --bless you, must have been the horse -- ah enough to like generate money selling 11 products you know? It was only vitamins I had. The basic ones - amino acids, um mega packs, protein, couple of other little things like orchic, glandulars, carbo fuel. And there's an interesting twist on this how I got into that. Because at the time I was letting somebody use - you know how you get endorsements, small endorsements - out of that magazine because I was up an coming and I had set some records in the 275 pound weight class. And I was a super heavy weight so everyone's, you know, they want you to advertise their products. And this guy was John Buckley out of out of Plymouth, I'd like to say, down that way Plymouth, Mass. He wanted me to endorse some vitamin pills. I didn't know much about it, I said, "Yeah, as long as I can get some free vitamins and give me some money," you know. It wasn't a lot but I figured hey I can get free training supplies and vitamins. So I didn't have a contract. I just "yeah, sure." And I found out because I went down to visit him and his wife and him are like, this like from a little ad in Powerlifting USA, I went down unannounced just to pick up some vitamins you know some amino acids, throw me a few bottles, you know. And they're wrapping boxes. There must have been like twenty or thirty boxes. Those were orders that came in every day. So the mechanism starts turning, and I'm like, "What is this guy? I can do what he does, and it's my name." I didn't have a contract I got out of it. He was bullshit. I started my own. I went to the same supplier too. SY: There you go. TA: Yeah because I saw it. It was on the label - distributed by or manufactured by and I said, "Listen, I'm the guy. I've been endorsing this thing for a year and I want to do it my own." And it worked out great. And after teaching I would come home and there would be a couple of blinks on the answering machine and they could be catalogs or orders. I was doing pretty good. I was doing like, I don't know, started out light that, that ah, that spring. But as my, as I got out there and people knew it was my company and I would talk to them on the phone about their progress in lifting and stuff, which is good like a lot of vitamin companies are not gonna do that, you just buy their stuff through GNC. But I was giving them programs, telling them how to do things, how to take the supplements, and I built up a hell of a fan base and business, you know. So that kept me going. I didn't have to do any teaching anymore as I got into that, and then that culminated into ah, once I got the record I had two things. The vitamin company got really big. I was in a guy's basement and you could smell vitamins. It was boxes and boxes of vitamins. I'd go to the ah, I had a box company deliver there. On this neighborhood in Newton, Mass., an eighteen wheeler would pull up where he's not supposed to and, and give me mail order supplies. And the owner was cool, Neil Todd, and he liked it. He thought it was pretty cool. He was a professor at BU but he knew I was getting big with the supplements because you walk down there and I had it down. I had my computer. It was an old Apple. Type out the labels. I had like a thing I got at Vista--I don't think they had it back then, Vista print, a little catalog on how to take the supplements, ah prices. And UPS came every day and it was the balls. It was great. And I was training. I was like okay this like being a professional athlete. I'm endorsing my own stuff, which was different. A lot people didn't know about doing that. SY: So you kind of made it? TA: Yeah, yeah and but I did it. I marketed myself which was good, you know. All because of that visit that I had: "Hey I can do what he's doing, and its mine, my name. Let me do it." you know? SY: So you turned yourself into a brand? You branded yourself? TA: Yes. I branded myself, yeah. SY: That's interesting. 12 TA: And then after I set the record in '85, the world record, the 705, man I'd go to the PO boxes I'd get like fifteen orders a day. And I had to get out there because it was just getting too big. SY: Let's talk about making that record that day because I want to know what you remember. TA: Ok yeah, March 3, 1985. I flew out there a week -- I was really smart about this too and I think like I said it goes back to my education and you know my instinct, sensing my body, of what I needed to do to just have that peak performance for literally two seconds. That's it, two seconds. So I get there a week ahead, get acclimated, ate good food, relaxed. You're not getting any stronger. I did a light, light, super light workout. Oh God it was maybe 225 for a set of ten, light triceps, real light just to stimulate the nerves, you know. Did some like light jogging, you know. And I ate really good. I stayed with Hawaiian out there who was also competing with his family and so I hung out with him but we'd go out and have steaks and eat well and just relax until the meet, which is kind of serene. It's kind of a good feeling because whatever happens, happens. That record, whether it's gonna happen or not, that happened back at home in the mainland doing all those reps. God, my last workout set before I left, ten days before the actual meet I did six, thirty-five for two sets of three reps; and then I did six, fifty for two and a half reps. I knew I was ready. Because then when I do my warm-ups for the stage and stuff and you got the adrenaline out there I knew if I'm on I'm gonna get this son-of-a-bitch. SY: So you walk out and there's a whole crowd there? TA: Two thousand people. Because they knew me already from the two previous years because I'm always setting records out there in different weight classes, you know? SY: Are you nervous, you don't get nervous? TA: Nah, nah you don't get it. SY: Just adrenaline? TA: It's, it's you just psy--you got be to be controlled, you know. And I think that's on YouTube, my world record, you can see it. Yeah it's on YouTube, along with some clips from acting. SY: So you walk out there and you, you know, you get started…. TA: Well I open up, I'm like when you, you have three attempts in the bench, in any lift: bench, squat, dead lift. And I would do a token, when I did this they start with squats. I just did a token 500 pounds. It was just to get on the board because you have to do three lifts, you have to compete in three lifts in order to get a world record it has to be official. Comes to the bench, you get the lightweights, it all starts light you know, people weighing 100 pounds - lightweights, mediumweights, heavy, all the way up to heavyweights. And I warm up and my first attempt was 608 and it was like me and one other guy left. He was going for 600 maybe, or mid-sixes, or early sixes like 620. So it was just me and him and people loved this, you know. Because this is now the heaviest weight of the whole meet, and everybody loves the bench press. I don't care what you say, it's not how much you can squat. You look at somebody, "What do you bench man, like the state of Rhode Island?" you know. So I opened up with 608. It flew, it flew. Remember I told you that thing about in the locker room, in the warm up room I felt a twinge? If I'm gonna go, let me go, you know? I'm going back to dental school, you know. 608 flew. That kid ended up trying like 630. He bombed and now it was just me. Next attempt: 650. Blew it up [snaps finger]. Could have done four reps with that thing. Everything was clicking. It's just like one of those times you know? And then they said, "He's gonna go for a world record, 678." That means a 661, 71 that's like what? Sixteen pounds, fifteen pounds more. I ultimately wanted to go out for 7 but jeez, God forbid if something 13 happened I got to get away with a world record anyway. That went up. Put the bar down, and then you could hear the announcer Aand the crowd's going crazy. They want seven." I'm out there, "Seven, you want seven?" you know. And they went shithouse. And then, "He's gonna go for seven, load it up, this is history folks! This is history!" And the way it's set up because it's, it's kilos, the metric system, 699 and three quarters, now what's the next number? 705.5, set it up. Set that goddamn thing up. And uh they show me resting in between chalking me, TV cameras and on, I said, "I'm just focused, whatever it is God it's in your hands," you know? I just get emotional thinking about it you know? So uh I got out there and it's like, it's almost like surreal. I could just feel the, [pause] I didn't hear anything, you know. And I got the lift off, I brought it down, and I heard the judge. You could see the picture out there she's yelling, "Rack!" because you have to hold it on your chest for like a minute, not a minute, a second but it's the longest second in the world. But I didn't care and I locked it up and it was just, it was unbelievable. The place went shithouse. And ah, I threw my belt in the crowd and I just knew like it's gonna open up so much, you know? So… SY: And you also knew you'd done something no human…. TA: Oh yeah, "Strongest Guy on the Planet," you know, "Strongest Guy on the Planet." SY: What does it feel like to be the "Strongest Guy?" You know literally every single person you walk past, you know, "Oh I'm stronger than him, I'm stronger than him." TA: Oh yeah, well you're flying to Hawaii and you're looking at the world. You know I mean just puts it in perspective but it was just like, because it's so hard to get there you know. And it was great. It was like ah it just changed it everything overnight, you know? Then I got the calls from the wrestling, more endorsements and stuff and then the vitamin company grew like a bastard. But I wanted to focus on wrestling because I wanted to get into the wrestling. And yeah they sent me to camp. They all knew about the record. It was everywhere. And even some of the wrestlers they knew I was coming in with the World: "Well we can do seven too!" but it's just a joke you know? But I did it and they were lifters too and they respected that. I would talk to them and stuff. It was, it was great, yeah. I went to wrestling camp after that, I, my brother helped me with the company, vitamin company in that basement there and then I had somebody else, we moved it up to Concord, New Hampshire. One of the kids, one of the lifting friends, had a place up there and we did it out of at his house for a while. Then I just moved into like an industrial park because it was just getting bigger. Then I moved here, fast forwarding, in '88. SY: Oh you've been here since '88? TA: I've been here since '88 yeah but that was phenomenal. SY: And so that was the beginning. TA: That was the beginning, yeah. SY: And then um… TA: I can still picture it. SY: Yeah? TA: Yeah it's like - SY: What's the image? 14 TA: It's dark on the side and ah, it went up easy, it went up unbelievable. It was unbelievable. It went up so, I think I could have done two reps with it, I swear to God, or at least one and a half which is absurd, you know? SY: That's amazing. TA: Oh yeah the crowd helped. I mean how can you not? You see why like in football and stuff they go crazy, they're running that extra yard. You got the crowd too. I mean it's insane, you're like a gladiator, you know. But it was just that record it was all due to the training I did by myself you know? Didn't have a coach. And I had the right formula just watching my ass, you know, don't over train and eat well, and sleep well. Sounds simple but you gotta have good workouts too. You gotta really work out hard when you're doing your work outs. You gotta really try to work your triceps and your shoulder presses and your bench presses, but that can only be done if you have the other two. So if you screw up there's always one of those triads that you mess up. Yeah. SY: And so you didn't get hurt before then you haven't gotten hurt since? TA: Never, never. Ah just from training yeah just from training. I, I think I should have just--I came back and I did the record again in '91 and that's when they had those bench shirts, those real heavy bench shirts and they were so easy I trained for six months and I got 725. But I was getting problems with my elbows. I couldn't lock them out. So they disqualified that. But you know I should have gotten out at least by 1990 because for some reason I was just building up a lot of bone calcification in my shoulders and in my elbows to the point that you couldn't extend and I'm thinking, you know I'm not gonna tell, even though you could tell the judge that's as far as your go, you look like shit because you only go up like halfway or three quarters and people are saying, "lock it out," you can't lock it out. SY: And this is a performance, right so you need to give the people what they want? TA: Yeah, yeah but I just knew my time, you know, I just I just concentrated on the vita--I still do exhibitions and stuff but I had to get my elbows operated on. And they did a great job, they took all the calcification out so I can unlock my elbows and I had to wear a brace. I still wear a brace to this day on both arms just to keep it stretched so it doesn't get that way because I lift light but that's what I should have done more was stretching I think, then I wouldn't have that problem. I didn't stretch enough and that's what builds up like barnacles because your body has so much pressure and its bones on a joint, on the bone matter, that it reacts by building more bone even if it's like like bone spurs and things like that. It will find a way. SY: Was it hard to let go of competing? I'm just thinking…. TA: Not really because you know I started getting sore. When your work outs get hard and your wrists hurt because of the elbows, and then you have all this other index pain it hurts. It's time to get out. And I'm glad I did. I think I did my last heavy workouts I did a rep record for reps in '96, this is after the surgery. And I did ten clean reps with 500, which was easy. I did it for an exhibition in Boston but I knew that was it, you know move onto other things so yeah. SY: And that was okay? TA: That was good. I did the biggest lift, it's still the biggest lift ever, pounds over body weight. SY: It's still the biggest lift ever?15 TA: For a super heavyweight. They're breaking it now like 727-30 but they're weighing 400 pounds. I weighed 293. SY: What about the pressure? The steroids pressure. How can, how can, because that takes a toll on the body? TA: Ah yeah but you got to be methodical about that too, you know. I went and had a doctor I didn't want to take the shit off the street. I went to a real doctor. I had blood tests. And what was beautiful, the beautiful thing was I was cycling once a year for heavyweight and that was smart. Because I'd be off for a lot of the year and just get on for a few months. SY: Did it affect your personality? TA: No. No not at all, didn't affect my health at all, not at all. It gets a bad rap. It's medicine if you take it the right way. It's, it's fine but if you overdose on that. SY: What about the 'roid rage and all that stuff? TA: Yeah I…maybe those people didn't know how to contain themselves and they didn't cycle. I think it's overdrawn because I still think it's their ego that's hidden and they just get more boastful and arrogant assholes, you know. SY: Sort of like a mean drunk usually is-- TA: Yeah exactly, is usually mean prick anyway, yeah absolutely. SY: You learn a lot from people. TA: Oh yeah and you see that in gyms and stuff. But I did get some knowledge from bodybuilders, the ones that were really really good like Olympias. They would only do one show a year, Olympia. And they took a lot of stuff, I mean they took diuretics and everything else but they wouldn't put their body through that three or four times a year. You'd die. Do it once a year. That was the greatest thing just doing one meet a year that last two years. SY: Interesting. TA: Yeah. SY: Yeah. TA: Peaking is everything, everything peaking. SY: Hm. What do you mean? TA: Your body peaking. If you do two or three, four meets, your body doesn't have enough sufficient rest, it gets stale. If you focus on one meet and you train naturally for like three quarters of that year, nothing, you're building up your tendons and then you're building up into a heavier weight. So it's still fresh and your body reacts and it welcomes that. It's not getting beaten toward uh catabolism and anabolism. Catabolically is when you're breaking down and anabolically is when you're building up. So you want to make sure that the circumstances and your surroundings are favorable for that type of genesis, you know. And it is, it was and its it's pretty simple. Luckily as I said I had this science background. I mean when I went out I was dumbfounded. I mean there were some other competitors, there was some strong kids out there, strong guys, one from Alabama - what's he eating the night before? McDonalds. He, he died. I mean he didn't die, he couldn't even get his opening attempt. You don't eat 16 McDonalds food. So they didn't have the knowledge, they didn't have the knowledge, and the knowledge is power. SY: Alright so let's talk about wrestling. So what was it like to be part of as your father called it - TA: The circus. SY: That crazy circus. TA: Yeah, yeah. I ah, I went to wrestling camp in July and I was on TV in December. Starting with the interviews and stuff like that they're building me up you know I was the "World's Strongest Man," so they gave me all squash matches and stuff like that just to build me up. And that was awesome, it's on national TV. Every morning they showed the world record bencher in Hawaii, so like this guy's legit. So whenever I would go to a match they liked me because I would bring asses into the seats you know? I didn't have the greatest technique in wrestling but I still can throw people around, you know. SY: Which is pretty much what they want in wrestling. TA: Yeah, yeah, and there's theater and I started off as a good guy and all the way to WrestleMania I was a good guy, and then they wanted, I wanted to change, I wanted to go to, I liked the drama of being a bad guy. And they wanted me to be a heel because I had that persona, so I went to a couple different territories to wrestle, just to build that up, to build up your craft you know, to work your system. And I went to Calgary and worked up there after. I did, I was in the WWF for like a year and then I went to Calgary for maybe three months, and then I went, I got recruited down to World Class Wrestling with the Von Erich's and that's where I really became a good heel. And the vitamin company still growing; I got people working in the vitamin company. And I ended up falling in love and just going back to work and I had a kid on the way and I didn't go back to WWF. I went back to here, I went here. It changes you know when you have a kid. And the road is--plus I mean I had a great income on the side. It wasn't on the side, that was even making more than wrestling. At the time I was in GNC's. I'd do the demonstrations too. Immediately they order thousands and thousands of dollars especially if they knew I was gonna come in and do a demonstration and sign autographs which is great. Anytime a fan to this this day from TV or from this how it's tied into together - they want an autograph I give an autograph. They paid me. I can't fathom these people that just won't give them the time of day and stuff. It's very sad. SY: So you came back here and you've been running this company and helping develop this building and then now you're doing acting. So tell me about that. TA: Yeah I um, after I did that rep record in Boston for WHDH sports - it was like a big thing down in Boston, promote something. It was on TV and stuff. It was good. I wanted to do something, I always wanted to get into acting. Some of my fellow wrestlers would be in acting and they were doing thug stuff and I'd like to try that you know? And I'm glad I did it the right way. I went to acting school in Boston for a couple of years and I started doing a lot of student films. Those are the best because these are kids as you know Emerson College, BU, this is a mecca here. And all these student films, graduate films, they can use as much tape and free cameras. I mean it's in their tuition. And all I wanted to get was my best scenes where I can a reel together to send to New York. Because I knew I, you know I ended up scoring some decent commercials that made national, made area commercials. You know CVS was one of my first ones. Nevada Bob's - remember them? Nevada Bob's, that was a sporting goods store. Um… SY: Was this as Ted Aricidi or as? 17 TA: As Ted Aricidi, yeah. And I would go in and they knew I lifted but they, it didn't make that crossov-- and I didn't want it to. I wanted to make as an actor you know, just the bones, the chops. But I did a ton of student films and one of the student films went to Sundance which is cool SY: What film? TA: Bobby Loves Mangos. SY: Gotta write it down I haven't seen it. And what do you like about acting? TA: I love getting int different personas. I'm a character actor. I love it and now I'm getting. Yeah it's just, you start out with a character and you bring what you can bring to the table. They want to see you, they don't want to see you act like somebody else. And I get that for auditions and stuff. SY: Do you think that your time, because your body was, you know your body was a tool when you were a weightlifter, right? And when you're an actor your body is an instrument that's the word I'm looking for. Do you think there's a parallel? TA: I think there is. I think I got my work ethic still. I mean I still go to New York a lot and I'll take classes with other actors, other working actors. Because you always want to hone your craft you know like workshops and stuff with casting directors. I do that all the time, even when I'm busy. It just keeps you sharp, it just keeps you on your thing and they'll throw you a scene and sometimes it's cold read and stuff. I love it. It's very instinctive, very instinctive. SY: Do you feel like you get typecast or you? TA: Ah not anymore. I lost a lot of weight you know I can wear a long shirt. I can be a detective, I could be a blue collar guy. Last one I did I owned a bowling alley, Donald Cried,that should be coming out probably in another year I would think. We just finished that. I had some really good scenes in that. And then I was with Rosanna Arquette in a movie too, Born Guilty. That was just filmed a couple months ago. And I played a deli owner, like her friend. She shoots the shit with me. [Laughs] that was cool. So yeah I like all the different ones and I'm glad I did lose though a lot of weight because I don't want to be typecast as just a thug. I could do that, you know I'll do if I have to, you know. But like in the movie the Family I did that as a bodyguard, no as a hit man trying to kill Deniro and his family. Me and six other hit men from New York. And ah, but they gave me a subst--a decent role in that too so it wasn't just a guy with a gun and just say a couple of words. I had, I had some decent stuff. SY: You got to be more nuanced. TA: Yeah, yeah and they throw stuff at you, and then like there's the fighter too. How could I forget that! I played an ESPN fight promoter, a matchmaker, you know? And they hide me for who I was. They, he didn't know and I never tell you know? Let them find out later, you know. So yeah character acting is great. I love it. It's just such a, it's a different, it's different than lifting. But it's something that I know I'm good at and, and I love doing it. I'll do it until the day I die. I'm very lucky to be able to jump into a, into another field like this. SY: And the vitamin business makes that possible? TA: Yeah well the vitamin business is no longer because when I got out of the competitive thing I figured I had a good trailing, I had a good following but it's almost like hmmm mid-nineties, that was about it, you know. 18 SY: Bit this sports equipment business-- TA: Yeah that's doing well, that's doing very well downstairs. And we sell new fitness equipment - the stations, multi gyms, the single stations, weights, and everything. And then what's really big though is the cardio business: treadmills, ellipticals, bikes, steppers. But I get them from Precorp, I get them used and I have a tech care, and we refurbish them and we end up having a good niche on the market. I mean, these things go for - the kind you see in the gyms, the real good ones like, like Life Fitness, Precorp's a big name - they'll go for six/seven thousand dollars. I'll get them through this distributor who distributes for Precorp in all the schools, colleges. And I get 'em from them and I have a good tech and we basically refurbish them back to like new standards. And we, and they and they we sell them at half the price. There's only two of us in New England - me and this other guy in Rhode Island. And that's doing great, yeah. SY: So. TA: And then I got the building too. SY: The building to. So I'm just thinking, you know when I - wresting and weightlifting were not on my radar as a kid growing up, definitely it just wasn't. But when I mentioned to my husband who I was gonna interview, and he grew up in the '80s, and he was like, "Ted Arcidi! Holy shit, da da da da, right?" TA: Lot of people know, yeah. SY: And he, this is not like, he doesn't follow wrestling, he doesn't follow. But you, when he was a kid you were a big deal, right? So what do you think represent to people? What do you think you represented to like you know eight-year-olds when you were um…? TA: Oh I was like a super hero to them, absolutely, especially when wrestling was getting catapulted like that. Wrestling peaks and valleys, crests, and troughs, and I hit it at a, I hit it at a crest. And oh yeah especially when you're in the WWF and that's when there wasn't a lot of cable. People watched WWF religiously. Hulk Hogan - I mean I trained with him. We're in matches together. I mean it was phenomenal. That's why I think it was easier to transcend into acting because I was with these guys. It's not like, "Okay I'm working with Mark Wahlberg -whoo!" You know who gives a shit? He's an actor, he's a good actor, I'm gonna work with him. I could hold up my own against him and they come up to you after and they and they talk to you and stuff and shoot the shit because they get it from all angles, at that level it's insane. SY: And did--I bet Mark Wahlberg grew up with you? TA: He probably saw me. Yeah, I didn't pick his brain. He wanted to go golfing. If I'd golfed that day, we were gonna go golfing I didn't golf. I go, "My father golfed, so" [laughs]. SY: I'm just wondering if I have any concluding thoughts. So do you, yeah let's go back to Norwich because this is about Norwich. So do you think about your time at Norwich? Do you feel like you? TA: That was instrumental. I don't think I would have been in the right environment to be as diligent and committed and ambitious in my weight training in my weight lifting to be the best in the world if I was somewhere else. Because there would be too many distractions. I mean I was a big fly fisherman, trout fisherman, so all's I did was eat, lift, do my studies, plenty of time to do the studies, and I would go fishing. I'd be fishing every weekend. SY: So it provided you with the environment where you could? 19 TA: Conducive to do that. And you're with other guys that look up to you too. Every workout was like a show there. And they were just pushing me. I'm representing the school so that was really good after that by junior year yeah it was like, I don't want say the big man on campus but they knew what was going on. They read articles and stuff and it's great for Norwich I mean the president, "hey I gave him extra food" [laughs]. But they see an article in the Globe and they see Norwich, that's great for the school and I think they started a weight lifting club with me there. SY: Did you contemplate going into the military at some point or did you know? TA: No. I just wanted to do my two years mandatory up there, yeah. SY: And then you knew you were done? TA: Yeah. But you have to do the two, you know, because you are technically I mean it says they could call you in those two years. That's when we had that static with the Iran hostages and all that. I could have got called in because I was still commissioned for two years at, in ROTC, you know. But there's a thing there, they could still call you in. SY: Were you worried about it at the time? TA: Nah, no because I didn't think we were gonna get called in. They had Marines ready to go in there you know SY:Yeah. What are they gonna call you in for. I don't know if I have any other questions. TA: Well if you have any more call me. Scott Norton! write it down! SY: Scott Norton! TA: Scott Norton! SY: We got it on tape. TA: Okay great. SY: You remembered it! TA: Yeah, yeah. He was instrumental big time, Scotty. SY: Yeah, how? TA: Just helped me when I was benching over 550 he was giving me lift offs. That's insane. That's when I bent two bars, two of Mynter's bars [laughs]. Oh I should tell you about this though. No one really knows about this but before when I was training for Hawaii, the big lift 1985, I had a bad lift off in the gym in Waltham, Mass. The kid gave me the lift off and this is when I was doing 635, 630. This is like, no this is in '84. It was like 630 for two I was at time then. This is in 1984 this is…April-May? I got the lift off, this is 630. He gives me the lift off but when he rolls it off he twists his hand like that and it made the weight go down like that and it just went, free falled on my chest up and down, 630 pounds. People thought I was dead. I'm in shock and they had me there. They were gonna call the ambulance. I could kill 20 somebody. It bounced up and down. I must have tensed up. And he felt like shit. I felt so sorry I said, "Listen it could happen to anybody, you know?" But they had me sit down, rest, because I could have internal bleeding, I could be dying there. It's like when people have a stroke or an aneurysm, they're talking to you and then all of a sudden they're out you know? That could have been it down there. I could have blown a valve or something. And I felt like a pain, a twinge, but it wasn't that bad. If it was you know it wasn't swelling up or nothing. And I finished my fucking workout. I went back there and I did 630 for three. I had a seminar in Iowa that weekend to do behind the neck presses, and I couldn't even bring my hands back. I couldn't sneeze. It was bruised, a bruised sternum. I had an X-ray done that night. Not broken, nothing. I mean that's just testimony to like how strong and how well developed with tendons and muscles just doing an instinctive freeze that it just literarily bounced up and down. That would kill somebody. That would kill them. SY: I think it would kill, it would've killed any other human. Alright so let's have a big reflective question. TA: Yeah. SY: What lesson have you learned or can you impart from having been the strongest man in the world? What does that teach you? TA: Never give up. If you know you, I mean people have to have a perception of what they're capable of. I still think that a lot of people are over stroked today, "you can do anything." No you can't do everything but there's something you can do good. And if you think you can do good, and if you think you can do better than others, that's the whole idea behind competition, and I knew that the way I was making the gains I'm gonna stick this thing out and be smart about it, you know? SY: So everybody should just find their thing. TA: Find their thing, yeah. I think everyone could do something and if they work out hard enough -whether that's acting or you know pushing a broom or running a company, there's something there's some trait everyone has and just follow that and don't get dismayed. I had a lot, you get backstabbers everybody gets backstabber you know, jealously. The guy's record I broke, Bill Kazmaier. Oh God he was sending people to buy supplements from me saying they got sick. He called the FDA on me he was trying to say the lift wasn't legal. I said, "Hey, get over it man. I broke your fucking record. I broke it by forty-six pounds you know?" SY: Deal with it. TA: Yeah. yeah, so yeah. You get the, they call deterrers, yeah you get them. You know [laughs] it's jealousy. It's jealousy. It's basically a reflection on them, you know, what they're inadequate of doing something. SY: So did your dad ever forgive you for not being a dentist? TA: Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, he saw I was doing well. But even when I--I bring him here and he realized that I could probably do this for the rest of my life if I stuck with it, with the vitamins but I got into the equipment and then I started a women's gym here, women's only fitness. And he was such a great guy he, like I say he's still around, this building was a distressed building, we bought it from the FDIC together 21 and I developed it. This whole mill building it's like a huge horseshoe. We got this this wing and the half of the wing on the riverfront. Then there's a middle section guy who owns it and then you have another people, another owner on the other side. But he was really proud what I did because I never had to take a loan. I made it with my money, you know, with my businesses and that was phenomenal. SY: You were, it's really interesting you were very smart in terms of you were like, "I have this skill, I have the science background, I'm developing my body, and then I'm turning myself into a brand…" TA: I could make products, vitamin products but with more potency for weightlifters you know with my name on it because I'm proven. There's a poster out there - "owner tested, owner approved." I mean that sticks in people's heads. Not that your gonna bench 700 but this guy knows what he's talking about. And I would do seminars and talk about science and muscle recuperation and stuff and you know people. I'm not trying to impress people I'm just telling like it was. But that's because of that great education at Norwich you know? Um hmm…what else? SY: I don't know that's a lot. We've talked a lot. TA: Yeah it goes by quick huh? SY: This was great. TA: Thank you for coming up.